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The domestic eavesdropping scandal is now entering week three in the news (it's existed for real a lot longer) and as these things tend to do, the political posturing is headed into Clownland.

Yesterday, Congressman Peter King (R-NY) demanded that UK Guardian journalist (and attorney) Glenn Greenwald be arrested. Not because of anything Greenwald has done, but because Greenwald is threatening to expose CIA assets around the world (Greenwald denies this). Odd that a lawmaker wouldn't be able to make this distinction and even odder that when a CIA asset was actually exposed in rhe last decade (by an employee of the Bush Administration), King wasn't this vociferous.Greenwald, fairly consistent on the matter of civil liberties, is a pretty bright guy and snarkily responded that King's newfound enthusiasm for prosecuting terrorists is somewhat of a joke. King has been a long time supporter of the IRA. You'd think that as a congressman whose Long Island district was impacted hard by 9/11 would be fairly tough on domestic terror, but it hasn't hurt King electorally at all.

For two reasons. One is the obvious one--The IRA's membership does bear a strong physical resemblance to King's constituency, ie, both white and not Muslim, ergo, not terrorists. The second is that the IRA doesn't bomb New York. London, yes, Manhattan, no. In fact, the US has been a source of IRA cash, donated by people that don't see the group as terrorists.

Roll that over in your head. The US doesn't meddle in the affairs of Northern Ireland by planting military bases there (there has been a slight flap over the use of Irish airports for US military purposes). Mostly, American involvement has been muted and even handed, especially in the late 90's. Therefore the IRA has never attacked the US. Which wouldn't be all that difficult, given the huge number of Irish-Americans and the ease that an IRA asset or two could fit in.

Because the US doesn't militarily meddle in Ireland's affairs, The IRA has no interest in America. 

Perhaps if the same philosophy extended to the Middle East, eh? Nah, better that the clown show go into overdrive, right?




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Terrorism is often targeted at the police or military, as an attempt to weaken or intimidate a government of the day.

By your argument, there can be no terrorism against anyone who wears a uniform. That's convenient for you because it omits probably half of all the terror incidents we have seen globally.

The Black Panthers targeted the police in the Bay Area some fifty years ago, and I think that most people would categorize them as terrorists. Likewise suicide bombers who attack US troops.

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I would agree with Bruce Hoffman, "terrorism is a pejorative term. It is a word with intrinsically negative connotations that is generally applied to one's enemies and opponents, or to those with whom one disagrees and would otherwise prefer to ignore. (...) Hence the decision to call someone or label some organization 'terrorist' becomes almost unavoidably subjective, depending largely on whether one sympathizes with or opposes the person/group/cause concerned. If one identifies with the victim of the violence, for example, then the act is terrorism. If, however, one identifies with the perpetrator, the violent act is regarded in a more sympathetic, if not positive (or, at the worst, an ambivalent) light; and it is not terrorism."

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