Study: 30 percent of tech shuttle riders would move from SF if there were no tech shuttles

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We weren’t able to attend the San Francisco Commission on the Environment’s policy committee meeting on Mon/13, but there were clues (okay, a live Twitter feed) that the debate around the city’s tech shuttle policy was heating up.

The SF Environment commissioners were considering the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency’s newly introduced private shuttle pilot program, a system that will require tech shuttles to pay for their routine use of Muni bus stops.

 

 

(San Francisco does have its share of endearing local-government nerds.)

There were a few interesting tidbits from the exchange between Carli Paine, the SFMTA project manager who is overseeing the tech shuttle policy, and the San Francisco Environment commissioners. 

For one thing, Paine said the SFMTA’s game plan for enforcing the new shuttle program “is to have parking control officers that are dedicated to the program, that are working overtime hours. So they won’t be drawn from other duties.” 

Apparently the $1 per stop, per day fee – which will only allow the agency to break even – will be enough to support an enforcement strategy that envisions paying enforcement officers with 100 percent overtime pay.

Then there was another interesting exchange, in which Paine indicated that a lot of people had been wanting to know whether tech shuttle riders were relocating to San Francisco specifically because the private transportation system made it easier for them to commute to Silicon Valley tech campuses.

When commissioner Ruth Gravanis queried Paine on that point, the SFMTA project manager referenced a University of California at Berkeley study finding that around 30 percent of shuttle riders surveyed would relocate out of San Francisco without the transportation option.

Audio editing by Rebecca Bowe.

Apparently there was quite a public comment session too. SF Environment spokesperson Guillermo Rodriguez told us the meeting brought “a very lively debate.”

 

 

 

 

At the end of the meeting, the commissioners approved the resolution after making a few amendments that urge the SFMTA “to engage in a robust study of the program’s success in reducing the unintended impacts of commuter shuttles, including their impacts on all San Franciscans.”

The SFMTA board will be voting on the plan on Jan. 21 at 1pm, Room 400, San Francisco City Hall.

Comments

I've noticed quite a few progressives who make this area a temp home, they come for the politics, when its time to breed they go back to where they came from.

I remember a Cal grad that lived by me in the Mission who would always talk about how great our progressive city was and how he always voted the Ammiano/Campos ticket while at the local bar. He moved back to Duluth with his fellow progressobot because of what are essentially the progressive policies of the city.

The original rechies are the hippies and progressives who dropped by to vote right and then went back to where they came from to be safe from crime and their kids being sent across town to go to school.

Just see Fairfield Daly as an example.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 8:41 am

"So I'm trying to figure this out, the google busses will have to pay a dollar a stop, for the whole bus full of techies, why not make them pay a dollar for every person on the bus per stop, and if they say no we can't do that, then take your busses and leave."

YES! $1 per bus is pathetically low. It's nothing. Talk about corporate welfare. Ridiculous.

"Twitter will hopefully leave when they have to start paying taxes anyway,"

Can't come soon enough. Get on the first plane out. Leave and don't think of coming back.

Corporatist parasites.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 10:50 pm

The Gentrification and Eviction Shuttles. I think that's what we should start calling these techie shuttles. I've noticed Genetech's green-washing. They have this sign on the back of their bus about 120 vehicles being taken off the streets by techies riding their Gentrification and Eviction shuttle. That bus cannot possibly hold 120 people (that would be 60 seats per side). Even though it's tall, the lower level is where things are stored. So that leaves just the top level for techies and the top level looks small and narrow. Yesterday, one person got off the thing at Castro. On occasion, 3 or maybe 5 people get off the thing. Often it's rather empty.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 3:00 am

The more serial deadbeat whiners who think their poop don't stink are relocated the better. Take your misery to Modesto….

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 7:32 am

But that does not appear to stop you from opinionating about them

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 9:43 am

We need to get our stories straight. We can't say that the buses are empty AND they are driving up the rents. We need to go with one or the other.

IMHO it makes more sense to go with the full bus/driving up rent story, and just ignore the study that says that only 30% of the riders would leave if the buses stopped.

Also, I think we should start downplaying the 'mostly white' angle since many of the people on the buses are obviously from different ethnicities.

Just my 2c..

Posted by Guest2 on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 10:40 am

Still, who cares if a woman of color loses her job as long as an ideological obsession is being engaged?

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 10:53 am

I drive the bus real good. Then I make the chimichanga.

Posted by Colored hispanic woman of color on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 11:07 am

Go back across the Rio Grande you wet back…..

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 11:34 am

Go back down 280 you techie…..

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 12:01 pm
Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 12:05 pm

Can we send the queers and gays back to somewhere too?

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 12:45 pm

"prejudice" although I suspect that if they went back there now, they'd be fine.

I do not buy the "sanctuary" argument whereby special self-selected sub-groups get to claim special entitlement to live here.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 12:56 pm

Go back to Italy you wops....?

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 6:45 pm

Go back to Italy you wops....?

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 6:45 pm

They transport most people very short distances. They're a "gentrifier" because all their employees would chose to relocated to Brisbane or S. San Francisco if the shuttle didn't exist?

Idiot - I work for Genetech and I live in the city and guess what? I don't take the fucking shuttle! And I've lived here for a decade!

Posted by guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 12:36 pm

You don't work for Genetech. You're a liar. No Genetech employee has time to sit on this site and troll for hours a day and night as "guest" (with a lower case "g") as you've been doing on one thread after the other for days now.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 3:22 pm
No

You're a liar. Perhaps you read at a third-grade level or maybe English is your second language. But for most of us it doesn't take much time, none at all, to counter the idiotic and hateful arguments here focused on a group of people who are hated because they chose to get to work by private bus. Like what I just did - unmasked you as a loser and a hater who would jump at a chance to work in biotech or tech if you had the chance - which you never will.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 5:04 pm

Your math sucks. Buses make more than one run per day. Even if a bus only held 40 people, but made 3 runs per morning and evening (not uncommon) it would be replacing 120 cars.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 12, 2014 @ 1:46 pm

Force the homeless to carry techies to and from SV. Once the homeless break down from the strain and die, make them into jerky that other homeless people can sell to tourists in Union Square. Two problems solved! Gotta run -- Ed Lee's on the other line!

Posted by Chromefields on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 7:43 am

Maybe housing costs would go down if the vacancy rate went up. See you later, spoiled techies.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 9:35 am

lifetime leases that boomers are enjoying at the expense of everyone else.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 10:11 am

Landlords love them because they pay big bucks (4K for a 1BR in the case I know about) and because those tenants will not stick for decades. and the rent is guaranteed of course.

This could be the new wave - tech companies renting directly from landlords, while the worker who lives there may change over time, all under the same lease.

As a LL, I did the same during the dotcom boom. It was great while it lasted.

All enabled by dedicated commutation options, of course. It's a logical development for the global center of the sharing economy.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 11:23 am

if that ain't satire, eat a dick.

(...eat a bowl of dirty dick for that matter!)

Posted by Guestfubar on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 12:46 pm
Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 12:57 pm

Designed to illuminate the hatefulness behind the recent rhetoric aimed at, of all things, the very few people in San Francisco who take private shuttles. This whole argument is so specious and foolish - designed to distract from the fact that the rhetoric progressives have been parroting for the past 40 years has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to halt the decline of the middle class in the US or make SF a more affordable city. And unbelievably their response is to focus hatred on a group of people who are doing nothing more than taking a form of transport to work which reduces traffic and cuts greenhouse gas emissions.

I thought the progressive movement was bankrupt when Steven Jones trashed the women's movement in the Ross Mirkarimi case but this - condemning people for doing what the environmental movement has been clamoring for them to do for years (get out of their cars and onto a bus) really blows my mind.

Posted by guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 5:10 pm

That 30% are a bunch of overly pampered, whiny wimps. Getting from SF to Silicon Valley is relatively easy, and each computer company could pick up their workers at the various SV CalTrain depots if the place was not within walking distance. If these people ever leave SV, they might find real life isn't so cushy and then what will they do????

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 5:15 pm

Well, they could go back home to mommy and daddy in the suburbs where they came from and let them support their elitist, greedy ass.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 7:01 pm

I previously wrote about Genetech's green-washing in that they have this big sign on the back of their bus reading, "120 cars being taken off the streets" by techies riding their Gentrification and Eviction shuttle. I had questioned that their bus even holds 120 people. It doesn't. I counted the seats today when the Genetech Gentrification and Eviction shuttle stopped illegally at the Muni bus stop. There are 12-14 rows of seats on each side of the bus with 2 seats together in each row. So the total number of techies that this Gentrification and Eviction shuttle can transport is roughly 48-56 people, and NOT this lie of 120 people. Of course it doesn't matter where the company's headquarters is located whether it be inside SF or outside SF, or on the Moon. The point is that this Gentrification and Eviction shuttle is blatantly lying when it says "120 cars being taken off the streets by this vehicle." That's a perfect example of corporate green-washing.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 6:52 pm

What a productive use of your time - have you ever considered getting a job?

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 6:58 pm

Re-read what I wrote. You don't read or comprehend anything and I'm writing this for the benefit of others and not for the benefit of some scum-of-the-Earth, nearly-braindead troll.

No, I wasn't counting "disembarking passengers" because that would not have given me an accurate reading of the capacity of the Gentrification and Eviction shuttle.

I was waiting for the 33 at the time so it was effortless to do. The Genetech Gentrification and Eviction shuttle stopped where the 33 usually stops so I and others had to walk down the sidewalk to get out of the way of this very intrusive Gentrification and Eviction shuttle, and as I was walking by this thing, I counted the rows of seats. (Re-read all of that at least twice because I'm sure you didn't get any of it).

But why did you miss the point and attack the messenger (me) rather than address the message (classic troll tactic): Genetech's green-washing with the Gentrification and Eviction shuttle?

And since you vegetate on this site day and not, maybe you should take your own suggestion about getting a job. Or is parasitic trolling a paid occupation for you?

Posted by Guest on Jan. 16, 2014 @ 7:22 pm

It's profitable.

Hey - you do realize Genentech is now paying the city for using the stops? Should they cut you a check too because you had to walk 10'?

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Posted by GuestInTheCastro on Jan. 17, 2014 @ 3:18 am

Capitalism....

SF built because of the Gold Rush...

Tech is the new Gold Rush...

Posted by Guest on Jan. 17, 2014 @ 1:03 pm
Posted by Guest on Jan. 17, 2014 @ 1:47 pm

That's about all this article says.

Except of course than "bad man" means anyone more successful than the author. Which is almost all of us.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 17, 2014 @ 4:43 pm

Outsider here...So what is this gentrification and why is it bad? I saw some vids of pre-war San Francisco, people were well dressed with smiles on their faces, neighborhoods looked neat and clean... is that gentrification? I'm confused as to why it is bad, the city looked pretty sweet, at least when compared to contemporary videos.

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Posted by MCCART on Jan. 19, 2014 @ 10:49 pm

The sooner the left leaves SF the better.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 24, 2014 @ 3:03 pm

I never really understood why tech workers would want to live so far from beautiful Silicon Valley. Perhaps the tech industries there need to look at ways to provide more affordable housing, so that their employees could live near their jobs. Then the cultural attractions that they like in SF would follow them - restaurants, museums, recreational opportunities, bars, etc. I moved out of the city because I could not afford it anymore, but my job is there, so I have to commute. If I could work where I live, I'd jump at the opportunity.

Posted by joizy on Jan. 25, 2014 @ 11:17 am

Only 6,000 take the shuttle every day, this is less than 1% of San Francisco's population and maybe 2% of the total workforce in Silicon Valley.

Posted by GlenParkDaddy on Apr. 13, 2014 @ 8:58 pm

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